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you know there's explanation for

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Rendlesham forest incident aliens at all

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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hello everyone this is Martin Willis

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your host and we have a great show

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coming up for you this evening

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Robert Davis PhD he'll be talking about

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his new book the UFO phenomenon should I

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believe and that's actually part of the

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title I'm not saying should I believe

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anyway I just got it in the mail a few

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that read by the time Robert is on and

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he'll be coming up after Alejandro Rojas

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from open minds TV he'll be talking

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about the latest UFO events now don't

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forget we have some new t-shirts on our

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website and has a nice image on it's

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nice looking shirts they're only $19.99

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with free shipping in the continental US

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and I'm also gonna have my t-shirts

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available we're at the UFO well I should

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say the International UFO Congress next

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week in Phoenix right outside of Phoenix

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Arizona and by the way I'll be coming at

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your live on the Dark Matter radio

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network right there on site and I have

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Tom Reed is gonna be joining us so far

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plus more I hope we'll see what happens

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with that if you're at the show please

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don't be shy come say hi to me and you

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can even hang out just please if you're

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gonna have your tinfoil hats just leave

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them at home otherwise you're welcome to

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hang out with me and talk it'll be fun

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to meet up with some

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and I know there has to be people

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listening to this show that will be

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there it just has to be and I want to

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thank everyone for their support this is

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a time I want to do a quick little shout

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out if you are subscribing for five

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dollars or more a month I will shout out

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your name and I'm not gonna use your

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full name unless you ask me to a few

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that's great too and thank you for

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us and you know that's enough for me

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talking it's about time we bring in

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Alejandro how are you Alejandro good but

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happening for the news so yeah I'm gonna

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so I want to talk more about like just

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my life and what's been going on okay

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hey look next week you will not be you

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won't even have time to breathe next

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week so you know no news next week when

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I'm live there if you're walking by the

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mic you can pop in and say hi but I

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smooth but then something you know goes

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haywire and we've got to run around

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where someone comes and they're like you

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these and this is going to be my

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presentation they don't wait to last you

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know something like that hey how many

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years have you been involved in this

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yourself you know this is our fifth year

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we're running it completely the year

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where it was kind of a transitional

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know open minds and how we'd be taking

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it over and so I ate it in that and then

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think it was 2006 why I ran the register

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in the mornings and then watched the

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lectures in the evenings so and then

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so so it's been a while and this is the

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number one in the whole entire world is

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it not the whole entire world as far as

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that they have regular conferences and

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type of deal I've heard you know of

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conferences that happened sporadically

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here and there but as far as an annual

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conference yes we are the largest so

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chance yeah I mean I've got some news I

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details I was actually in New York the

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last couple days I got to go to a film

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junket so that's the jet lag stamp or

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chappie which is a really cool movie by

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the way so yes that's really cool

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others people who are making some

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bathroom carpets out of that are based

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you know crop circle designed deals here

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so that's kind of cool or is it the

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other way around people making crop

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circles off the bathroom mats I don't

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know but anyway that's a very good point

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yeah you'd have to research that further

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but there's some cool sightings that

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MUFON is posted Roger Marcia North

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triangle UFO for military terminal this

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one's really neat this is a video and

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my concerts because once you go to Red

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open the summer it's absolutely

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incredible it's really many many shows

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every year at least quite often and I'd

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and it's just spectacular

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reports are up in January in fact they

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say they have a forty four point five

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year there were this many sightings and

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it's good but they didn't in this case

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spreadsheet on this if you want to take

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how we compared to January usually the

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trailer - a documentary that it seems

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one of the photo analysts it's going to

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make on the slides and in this

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documentary you can actually see some

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more details about the slides in fact in

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slide on like a light table someone

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ones that we've seen and I've got to say

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that this slide is very very

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underwhelming now do you have a picture

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we can put that in the show notes yeah

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you know what I I know I I it's UFO

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Chronicles has that slide up and I I

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don't think I'm gonna have time to write

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a story on where you put it up but find

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that UFO Chronicles has it up so and

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that's who I tweeted mm-hmm all right

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retweeted on and would have gotten the

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info from so you know that's really

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interesting otherwise of course the

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Steven Greer thing is still making a lot

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of noise most analysts are quite certain

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that video was flares but a lot of

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discussion about that video we discussed

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antiques and fine art and I spoke with a

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rescued film project and what they do is

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they find film that's never been

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developed that was left in cameras or

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just filed in the States

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yeah guy interviewed on NPR recently oh

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that and he said I'll tell you what if I

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find any aliens I'll you'll be the first

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to know oh that's good that's good that

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he'll let you know because I think in

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the United States for the people who

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know you your credibility is higher than

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that of Jaime moose and because of

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course people are kind of disappointed

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in some of the hoaxes that they feel

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he's backed in the past a lot of people

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are questioning the wisdom of releasing

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this slide in Mexico yeah that is kind

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of curious why they're doing it in

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Mexico something that was found here is

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it well it's probably about the

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all-mighty

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a dollar as they say you know and yeah

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in defensive Don Schmidt and and Tom

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Kerry not so much because I've been

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talking to Don Schmidt mostly so I don't

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know it wasn't his decision it was up to

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the person who owns the slide yes like I

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believe I said last week and I hope I'm

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not repeating myself as an estate sale

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person is looking for money and they

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don't really necessarily worry too much

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about write something whether it's a

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lien or whatever else they just you know

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that's how they make their living as

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they buy something and they sell

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something and make money so that's the

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most important well that's about it for

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this week right that's pretty much it my

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friend all right so I will see you in

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person in just a matter of days very

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excited to see you it's gonna be a lot

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of fun I'm so happy that you're gonna be

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able to make it out and although we're

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getting our butts kicked right now to

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get prepared for it I have a table full

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of beautiful t-shirts I saw yours yours

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is very nice as well it's gonna be a

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wonderful event it's gonna be a lot of

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fun well I can't wait all right

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well thanks so much and I'll be seeing

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you next week all right tuck you next

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week Betty alright so hang in there for

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the little quick music break and we'll

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how you doing Robert I'm fine thank you

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thanks for joining us and I just got

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your book you probably heard that in our

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news segment but I just got your book a

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few minutes before so I've not been able

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to read it unfortunately but we're going

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to be talking about your book mostly

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this evening and we're going to take a

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break at the top of the hour just for a

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second come back on but I want to know

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who is Robert Davis PhD and how did you

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get here thank you very much for

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inviting me on your excellent show and

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listeners could find out more about my

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book on my website the UFO phenomenon

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calm and can get my book on Amazon but

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as a scientist I have always found the

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unexplained very intriguing and for some

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unknown reason the UFO phenomenon has

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stimulated my interest ever since I was

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a child and I think it's as intriguing

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as it gets and as a baby boomer we all

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remember the Flying Saucer hype and Star

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Trek episodes over some frozen TV

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dinners during nineteen sixties and

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although I'd like to see reruns of Star

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Trek some 50 or so years later which I

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would find engaging I also find this

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phenomenon to be as well and it clearly

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presents very unique topics of debate

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and research challenges that once

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adequately addressed if it can be may

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have very important implications for

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science and society so but what really

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motivated me to write this book was when

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my wife and I visited Sedona Arizona

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probably one

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most beautiful cities in that only

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America but the world when we observe an

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orange orb at night and while observing

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it we saw another one either emerge from

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that one or from behind it and they both

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remain stationary for a period of time

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until they blinked out then they said

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I'm writing a book in a sentence was

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intended to evoke choice a critical

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thought of the the extraordinary

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phenomenon that that encompasses this

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field that we call ufology and i and i

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don't intend to convince the UFO

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skeptics and believers that some

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unexplained ufos are governed by alien

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beings or that all ufos can be explained

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as natural and or man-made phenomenon

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that the primary goal of this book was

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to simply present at the evidence series

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topics for debate and and scientific

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analysis so that we can possibly better

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understand the phenomenon and especially

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the support that governs and regulates

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its behavior which we do not know now

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just going back to well first of all

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just let me just throw this out there if

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you're listening live please jump into

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the chat room and join us and i'm in

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there as well and you can ask our guests

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a question that's at podcast UFO calm

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takes you two clicks to get in there so

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how long ago was this sighting you had

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in Sedona 2012 Oh so this is recently

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and have you been more or less keeping

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your eye on the topic all along here or

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is this something you just overwrite

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into no I've been I've been curious

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about the the subject matter for my

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entire life and certainly read many

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books on the on the issues of the UFO

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phenomenon that have been frustrated

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because you keep here

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about the same the same various

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incidents such as Roswell the Phoenix

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like Phoenix writes among many other

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types of mass sightings that lead many

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researches to continue to address as the

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so called smoking gun that proves that

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UFOs are aliens from either another

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solar system or dimension or is a

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paranormal manifestation of some type

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but the the existence of UFOs does not

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necessarily mean that such crap are from

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another solar system or dimension

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it simply indicates that it's an

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unexplained object in the sky

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and more often than not the weather

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balloon is satellite of an atmospheric

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if quantum physics can possibly possibly

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explain that the phenomenon associated

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with it but the more elusive question I

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think is does the collective evidence

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provided provide undeniable confirmation

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that non-human intelligent beings are

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operating UFOs and interacting in very

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unusual ways with humans so I think my

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position on the phenomenon can best be

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phrased as that is an exciting things an

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agnostic and based on the analysis of

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the evidence which is provided in

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countless books many are good many are

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far-fetched I'm simply not able to

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commit to a belief in the existence or

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non-existence of intelligently

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controlled UFOs of non earthly origin or

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from another dimension I simply do not

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know and I think most people don't know

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researchers contend that they do know

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buddy clearly there's highly unusual

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aerial events that defy logical

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explanation I don't think anybody will

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the recent the recent foundation for

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experiences this experiences this is

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known as free the foundation again for

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research into extra rest field I thought

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it would be called the last term

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encounters this is a recent not

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not-for-profit organization that was

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developed by PhD physicists and the

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colleges and various scientists

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physicians and experiences are both

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people who have had some form of contact

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with non-human intelligent beings and

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it's attempt to bring together this the

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diverse group to study the subject areas

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of human encounters with non-human

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intelligence and related paranormal

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phenomena and their goal which I support

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it to determine through some scientific

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research with contactees with non-human

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intelligence and the paranormal and its

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relationship with quantum physics

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consciousness the paranormal and

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non-human intelligence and I encourage

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any any of your listeners who believes

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they have been abducted by let's say a

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UFO or have had unique experiences with

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non-human intelligent beings to visit

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their website which is experiencers dot

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Co it's not calm but

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CEO experience or dot CEO and take phase

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one of their survey and there's also

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information on their website that allows

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them to contact various individuals such

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as the co-founders Christina knows and

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and ray Fernandez to provide some

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related information for them to share

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their unique experiences and their goal

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is also the determinant quantum physics

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can explain the phenomenon associated

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with this phenomenon and essentially

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this is the first scientific research

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that has been undertaken in this field

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yes I had Christine on a few weeks ago

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actually talking about this and you know

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I have to say you're the first person

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that I can recall on this show that

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brought up the quantum physics thing and

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it's kind of ironic because a couple of

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days ago I was watching a documentary on

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dark matter and I started thinking about

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quantum physics and maybe there's some

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type of relationship between quantum

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physics which is so hard to explain

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anyway you know if you just the space

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inside of an atom alone is crazy

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if you think about it how how and in the

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vast reaches of the the solar system the

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universe all that and I started thinking

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I wonder if this some type of

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relationship between this and the forces

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of dark matter as well you know I mean

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it's it's such a topic that you know

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it's such a hard thing to explore to

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begin with you know I know they have the

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the one of my thinking up in CERN the

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the splitter there you know what I mean

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I just can't think of the name of any

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now but you know I know they're doing a

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lot of research there but

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that's that's fascinating I've never

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even thought about the UFO topic and

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quantum physics but well I think the

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direction that many scientists should

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should take and again this foundation is

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attempting to do this because although

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quantum physics is highly theoretical

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and it incorporates the theories of

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multiverse or several dimensions which

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coexist with our own reality a concept

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supported by Stephen Hawking and dr.

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Kaku it might very well explain the

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phenomenon that we are observing in

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other words it might be extra

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dimensional highly theoretical certainly

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according to quantum physics a particle

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is in a constant state of flux where it

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can be determined to be anywhere or in

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many places at the same time so if some

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UFOs use quantum mechanics to bend space

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and time and our consciousness then it

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might explain how the same UFO could

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appear as two separate objects at the

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same time and this is often the case so

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it's real physical effects can enter and

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leave our reality and appear different

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to different people which it does then

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it would indicate that our reality is

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not as real as we perceive it to be and

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if reality is not fixed then then that

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has important implications for UFOs and

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maybe that's why we can't understand the

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UFO phenomenon because we simply don't

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have the scientific principles at

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present yeah and and our principle

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simply don't apply but again this is

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what free is attempting to discern it's

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like if you split an atom this is this

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is a true

545
00:28:55,090 --> 00:28:51,080
a true experimental event it split an

546
00:28:59,140 --> 00:28:55,100
atom and you separate them by vast

547
00:29:03,340 --> 00:28:59,150
distances and if you manipulate one the

548
00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:03,350
other one also responds accordingly or

549
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:07,670
entangle in opposite direction yeah and

550
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:10,790
that is bewildering certainly the

551
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:15,310
scientists but it might explain how

552
00:29:24,190 --> 00:29:20,330
physical objects have an influence on

553
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:24,200
one another despite despite the space

554
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:30,320
the space-time continuum so UFOs may

555
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,930
very well be explainable by this

556
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:35,120
although certainly it's theoretical and

557
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:39,850
unproven at the present time right right

558
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:42,920
so when you started writing your book

559
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:45,410
and again I apologize that I haven't

560
00:29:49,210 --> 00:29:47,390
even had time to go through it I was

561
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:49,220
breezing through it real quickly but

562
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:51,890
while I was getting ready for the show I

563
00:29:57,340 --> 00:29:53,570
see that you cited a number of

564
00:30:00,280 --> 00:29:57,350
incidences in there you know historical

565
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:00,290
incidences and was that just so you

566
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:04,610
could you could explain what was known

567
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:08,840
about these things and what was what

568
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:18,880
conclusions were well I many of the many

569
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:23,900
incidents which are fairly fairly common

570
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:27,670
and debated about by many leading

571
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:32,780
ufologists who conclude that again

572
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:36,980
UFOs represent non-human intelligence

573
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:46,490
from another dimension the scientific

574
00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:51,710
community to the science because they

575
00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:55,940
see a lot of UFO researchers make these

576
00:31:01,840 --> 00:30:57,820
kinds of conclusions

577
00:31:07,870 --> 00:31:01,850
based on limited evidence or lack of

578
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:07,880
tangible evidence to study mm-hmm and an

579
00:31:15,299 --> 00:31:10,790
offense against ethology a bad name

580
00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:15,309
right I don't think we can make firm

581
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:20,440
irrefutable conclusions yet many do

582
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:23,600
which is unfortunate because we cannot

583
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:27,050
apply the scientific method to this

584
00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:30,410
phenomenon at least not yet simply

585
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:34,220
because we may not have again the proper

586
00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:37,970
scientific principles in which to apply

587
00:31:44,110 --> 00:31:41,300
the scientific method to in order to

588
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:44,120
satisfy the scientific academic

589
00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:47,390
community into believing that there is

590
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:49,790
something real about these UFOs so we

591
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:52,070
have the believers and the skeptics as

592
00:31:59,290 --> 00:31:55,280
well as the debunkers and it goes on and

593
00:32:06,910 --> 00:31:59,300
on and where we're still debating this

594
00:32:10,049 --> 00:32:06,920
issue yet for decades very little if any

595
00:32:14,169 --> 00:32:10,059
progress has been made in terms of our

596
00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:14,179
understanding of this phenomenon right

597
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:16,520
thus I think we we need to go in a

598
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:19,130
different direction and and the best

599
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:22,880
foundation the acronym again is three fr

600
00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:27,200
EE may be headed in the proper direction

601
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:29,960
and certainly remains to be seen but

602
00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:34,970
quantum physics may hold the key that

603
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:37,160
unlocks this mystery at least it is

604
00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:42,080
certainly worth the effort in fact Edgar

605
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:44,059
Mitchell the sixth man to walk on the

606
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:47,750
moon is a member of this foundation as

607
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,510
well as I mentioned many leading

608
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:53,120
high-powered scientists from a diverse

609
00:33:00,220 --> 00:32:57,679
range of professions I'm happy to say

610
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:00,230
that I am also a member of this of this

611
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:03,040
foundation and they are currently

612
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:07,610
conducting research on using contactees

613
00:33:13,649 --> 00:33:10,840
who have reportedly been

614
00:33:16,619 --> 00:33:13,659
things have been abducted or have had

615
00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:16,629
again very unique strange and we'll use

616
00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:19,539
the term paranormal like experiences

617
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:24,669
with non-human intelligence of various

618
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:31,090
kinds so I yes I did provide some of the

619
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:36,159
more common UFO related incidents like

620
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:39,370
the the sightings in Washington DC in 52

621
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,039
of course the Roswell was Stephenville

622
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:47,039
encountered the feat the Phoenix lights

623
00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:51,850
Hudson Valley waved back in the 80s what

624
00:34:02,340 --> 00:33:56,740
goes on and on but ufologists continued

625
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,350
to survey the documents released by the

626
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:04,480
government and the project Bluebook

627
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:08,710
which was also recently Declassified and

628
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,530
numerous other countries have also

629
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:13,359
declassified documents pertaining to the

630
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:23,280
that something very strange occurring in

631
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:25,960
our skies as well as the land where

632
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:30,190
people encounter non-human intelligence

633
00:34:42,379 --> 00:34:38,169
in various strange ways so some of these

634
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:42,389
incidents are quite remarkable however

635
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:45,940
but there's an absence of a wildly

636
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:50,079
approved theory of the phenomenon right

637
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:53,889
cannot we cannot study it using now

638
00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:56,290
again our own scientific principle

639
00:35:02,460 --> 00:34:59,380
so where we go where do we go from here

640
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:02,470
you know in fact in my book I devote one

641
00:35:09,809 --> 00:35:07,210
chapter coincidentally to to trying to

642
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:09,819
explain what we need to do to better

643
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:12,910
understand this phenomenon and I

644
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:15,760
mentioned that we do need an

645
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:20,310
organization whose governance structure

646
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:24,850
leads a multidisciplinary team of

647
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:28,270
scientists from a diverse range of

648
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:34,740
fields to better study this phenomenon

649
00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:40,380
hopefully being funded by the private or

650
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:44,830
public organizations and and among other

651
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:48,720
related issues and quite surprisingly

652
00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:52,690
this foundation 3 is attempting to do

653
00:36:02,570 --> 00:35:57,820
just that serious scientific review and

654
00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:02,580
there has been limited scientific

655
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:06,600
investigations but this brings into mind

656
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:11,590
the project Bluebook and dr. Allen Hynek

657
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:15,670
who all ufologists and Nonya fathers

658
00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:21,670
have have probably heard her dogs he was

659
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:24,340
he was an astrophysicist from the Ohio

660
00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:27,670
State University who was the director

661
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:31,360
and main scientific adviser to Project

662
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:34,300
Blue Book which was conducted back in

663
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:38,770
the 60s 70s and initially he was a

664
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:44,980
skeptic but after having studied several

665
00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:49,690
hundred ufo-related incidences he became

666
00:37:04,230 --> 00:36:57,870
a believer and interestingly he he

667
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:04,240
reported that the UFOs maneuver with

668
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:08,110
ease in our skies they're unaffected by

669
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:11,560
gravity and inertia they helped her a

670
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:14,410
few feet above the ground and then

671
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:17,890
obviously accelerate at Clementis speeds

672
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:24,660
with little effort without any noise and

673
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:30,460
he described he described these the

674
00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:33,990
appearance and the behaviors of UFOs as

675
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:37,300
luminous objects surrounded by a haze

676
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:38,710
they can be

677
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,540
I'm invisible and then a few seconds

678
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:43,359
later they can appear a short distance

679
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:47,830
away they can shape-shift or modify

680
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:52,450
their physical structure they remain

681
00:38:00,359 --> 00:37:56,740
stationary they move in angular make

682
00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:00,369
angular turns your listeners have heard

683
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,849
this all before and of course you have

684
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:06,160
they produce electromagnetic effects

685
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:09,550
there are some physical ground traces as

686
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:13,690
well where they land they lose landing

687
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:16,810
marks radiation they disturb the soil

688
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:22,240
they can petrify wood and they also

689
00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:26,230
induce physiological effects in humans

690
00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:29,800
that's capable to electromagnetic or

691
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:33,820
radiation like effects and the people

692
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:37,810
feel sensations of heat paralysis nausea

693
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:40,830
irritation of the eyes etc as well as

694
00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:44,080
paranormal related events such as

695
00:38:59,010 --> 00:38:53,740
missing time so included included in a

696
00:39:04,170 --> 00:38:59,020
report to the members of Congress I

697
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:04,180
believe was in nineteen 1978 regarding

698
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:07,330
the phenomenon and and he said that this

699
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:12,160
is a mystery so profound that it may be

700
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:17,920
related to extraterrestrial or extra

701
00:39:26,849 --> 00:39:24,160
dimensional possibilities certainly did

702
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:26,859
not exclude that but he was firmly

703
00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:30,060
committed to the belief based on his

704
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:35,560
experience that something quite unique

705
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:38,670
was occurring that defies logical

706
00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:47,950
explanation so so just a couple of

707
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:49,960
things here well a few weeks ago I was

708
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:52,600
down in Miami and

709
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:55,690
with some friends and they said they one

710
00:40:01,140 --> 00:39:57,910
of the people said so you actually

711
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:01,150
believe in UFOs and I thought for a

712
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:04,510
second and I said well it's more what I

713
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:07,900
believe about UFOs I do believe that

714
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,510
they are here but I'm certainly not

715
00:40:15,590 --> 00:40:11,920
going to tell you what I think they are

716
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:15,600
and that's that's really how I feel

717
00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:17,500
sometimes I can be a little bit

718
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:19,900
redundant but I think it's it's a point

719
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:24,760
worth saying and that is it may be

720
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:26,380
something that we absolutely haven't

721
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:28,270
even thought of or couldn't even think

722
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:31,090
of you know to begin with that's what it

723
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:33,880
might all be about and that's why I find

724
00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:36,810
it fascinating of this quantum physics

725
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:39,940
pitch that's not pitch but thought or a

726
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:42,870
theory that you have pretty interesting

727
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:46,210
let's let's just hit a couple of things

728
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:48,940
in your book here one of them one of the

729
00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:54,310
chapters it's titled the psychological

730
00:41:22,730 --> 00:40:58,060
and sociological theories and what do

731
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:25,470
subconscious recalls from from the media

732
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:29,920
or heightened shall we say level of

733
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:42,060
founded analytical psychology was a

734
00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:44,830
proponent of the psycho culture

735
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:48,280
hypothesis and paranormal theory to

736
00:42:00,500 --> 00:41:56,980
explain the phenomenon of our society's

737
00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:00,510
interests with space flight and and was

738
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:03,340
reinforced by media type of of aliens

739
00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:05,230
and flying saucers and again this was

740
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:08,020
a more common place they think back in

741
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:11,010
the 50s and 60s than it is now

742
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:15,430
although with recent TV shows and there

743
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:18,970
are many of them coming on more people I

744
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:22,030
think are beginning to be interested in

745
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:31,410
this phenomenon that you mentioned also

746
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:35,200
contend that many of those who have had

747
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:39,280
UFO experience may have physiological or

748
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:42,850
psychological problems like temple what

749
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:45,420
to call temporal lobe epilepsy or

750
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:50,560
fantasy prone personality or are deluded

751
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,080
in some way but I don't buy that because

752
00:43:00,930 --> 00:42:58,000
I don't buy that theory because the

753
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:00,940
strong argument against it is that many

754
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:04,530
sightings involve multiple witnesses

755
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:07,950
simultaneous radar on visual sightings

756
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:13,119
so it's hard to explain that on the

757
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:16,150
second psychological level well

758
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:19,930
certainly some UFOs may be explainable

759
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:23,320
on that basis but we don't only have

760
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:26,050
that theory which you mentioned but

761
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,150
certainly the extra-terrestrial and

762
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:31,359
extra-dimensional theory and there's a

763
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:39,760
great debate about that obviously

764
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:44,050
maintains that are governed by non-human

765
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:45,930
intelligence from another solar system

766
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:49,930
well look what our closest solar system

767
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:52,630
is what's the name Proxima century is

768
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:56,710
about 4.2 light years away I think

769
00:44:02,790 --> 00:43:58,210
that's something like seven trillion

770
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:02,800
miles and if we and if we have our space

771
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:06,130
shuttle which I believe jobs are 25,000

772
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:07,810
miles an hour if we take a hundred

773
00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:09,450
thousand years to get there unless

774
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:16,620
unless we have these beings can

775
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,150
access wormholes or bend space and time

776
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:23,040
which Stephen Hawking among other

777
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:25,770
leading physicists contend is is quite

778
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:32,000
possible which may allow for them to get

779
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:35,460
their to here in a maybe a blink of an

780
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:40,410
eye or not but the extra dimensional

781
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:43,950
hypothesis implies that non-human

782
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:47,280
intelligence is operating these crafts

783
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:49,410
from another dimension or parallel

784
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:53,690
universe and that brings into play the

785
00:45:06,310 --> 00:44:57,470
highly theoretical nature of quantum

786
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:06,320
mechanics has been the predominant

787
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:11,100
explanation for UFOs but many people

788
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:15,030
have abandon it in a sense in favor of

789
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:19,380
the dimensional hypothesis which again

790
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:26,640
says that being in a parallel reality as

791
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:31,740
strange as that might sound so I'm not

792
00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:35,040
one to disagree with us people like

793
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:41,100
Stephen Hawking or dr. Kaku but again

794
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:44,700
this is highly theoretical yet they are

795
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:47,370
supporters of this notion that there are

796
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,550
beings in coexisting realities and maybe

797
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:52,440
maybe that's where we should go with

798
00:46:00,610 --> 00:45:56,240
research in terms of quantum physics and

799
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:00,620
again we don't have a firm objective

800
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:04,740
grasp on that on that theory maybe

801
00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:09,750
someday I expect we will but this

802
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:11,790
foundation that I have mentioned a few

803
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:15,810
times is trying to to examine that

804
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:19,200
possibility to a variety of different

805
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:21,300
ways and that's why there are some

806
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:24,900
leading physicists on that committee who

807
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:27,930
certainly may provide some some unique

808
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:30,119
insight into that into

809
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:35,630
that explanation of the this phenomenon

810
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:42,450
so it's branch of physics that deals

811
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:45,650
with physical phenomena at microscopic

812
00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:49,880
levels is very certainly controversial

813
00:46:57,859 --> 00:46:53,190
but it is again promoted as a possible

814
00:47:01,660 --> 00:46:57,869
explanation for the phenomenon and it

815
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:01,670
might provide a realistic approach

816
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:04,470
what's something that we should further

817
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:09,240
pursue in a formal organized manner and

818
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:12,390
this is what free is is attempting to

819
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:14,099
explore and whether or not that

820
00:47:20,349 --> 00:47:16,410
successful certainly remains to be seen

821
00:47:25,009 --> 00:47:20,359
but regardless we do need that type of

822
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:25,019
organized scientific investigation by

823
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:29,970
many scientists from many different

824
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:34,680
disciplines so yeah for them to be taken

825
00:47:38,839 --> 00:47:35,609
seriously

826
00:47:42,049 --> 00:47:38,849
you know you that that's the that's the

827
00:47:43,999 --> 00:47:42,059
issue you know they'd have to be someone

828
00:47:46,099 --> 00:47:44,009
that could actually have say a

829
00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:46,109
peer-reviewed paper or something like

830
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:47,309
that

831
00:47:53,029 --> 00:47:49,890
because this you know the subject as you

832
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:53,039
know is is so far out there I am having

833
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:56,220
trouble with the chatroom but it doesn't

834
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:57,569
mean that people that want to be in the

835
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,700
chat can't be in there and communicate

836
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:01,920
with themself with each other

837
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,730
but I see past someone wrote what kind

838
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:07,380
of scientists are you do you have a

839
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:10,410
background that helps you in this type

840
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:17,400
of study to be on that board as well my

841
00:48:25,450 --> 00:48:22,049
background scientists will hopefully

842
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:25,460
allow me to provide some insight into

843
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,210
the methodology that's needed to better

844
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:32,880
understand this phenomenon as a

845
00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:36,359
contributor to the foundation but I will

846
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:43,240
also be involved in surveying

847
00:48:50,050 --> 00:48:46,010
obtaining quantitative and qualitative

848
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:50,060
information from so-called contactees or

849
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:53,060
people who allegedly claimed to have had

850
00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:56,570
some type of experience with non-human

851
00:49:03,520 --> 00:48:58,040
intelligence whether they were abducted

852
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:03,530
by a UFO and and went through what david

853
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:10,520
jacobs and john mack contend people go

854
00:49:21,069 --> 00:49:14,270
through in terms of being taken from

855
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:21,079
their home being transported to the wall

856
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:24,890
and taken on the ship and and undergo

857
00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:29,359
various types of biologic experiments

858
00:49:36,579 --> 00:49:32,630
but the experience tends to be

859
00:49:39,819 --> 00:49:36,589
relatively the same across many

860
00:49:41,710 --> 00:49:39,829
individuals who have had such strange

861
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:41,720
encounters and it's not only limited to

862
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:45,640
the abduction phenomenon but my

863
00:49:54,339 --> 00:49:52,010
background as a scientist in audiology

864
00:50:01,690 --> 00:49:54,349
and hearing science doesn't really

865
00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:01,700
directly make me qualified to answer to

866
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:05,140
provide answers to this question but but

867
00:50:14,410 --> 00:50:09,910
i think i can provide some unique

868
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,420
contributions nevertheless to the study

869
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:16,880
of the phenomenon using the scientific

870
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:20,540
method which really has not been done in

871
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:24,410
any systematic and consistent way in the

872
00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:27,980
past again most of the it's not all of

873
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:34,900
the UFO studies are basically

874
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:38,329
retrospective you know even now people

875
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:43,760
still look at the roswell incident where

876
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:46,280
you know supposedly of course the UFO

877
00:50:52,569 --> 00:50:50,140
crash we took some dead alien bodies

878
00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:52,579
maybe we took them to some underground

879
00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:56,020
base somewhere out in the southwest

880
00:51:04,230 --> 00:50:59,230
government's covering it up the point is

881
00:51:08,330 --> 00:51:04,240
people continue to rely on this

882
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:08,340
retrospective analysis of prior events

883
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:13,900
debating it continuously and nothing

884
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:16,920
nothing gets resolved doing that or

885
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:19,800
reviewing the documents that have been

886
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:23,380
Declassified and debating death as well

887
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:25,630
as whether or not there's a smoking gun

888
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:29,950
there now there's no question through

889
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:32,350
the disclosure project led by Steven

890
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:36,550
Greer and and Steve Bassett there's no

891
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:42,120
question that the testimony provided by

892
00:51:49,890 --> 00:51:46,450
pilots of military and civilian radar

893
00:51:54,330 --> 00:51:49,900
experts government officials among

894
00:51:57,780 --> 00:51:54,340
others contend and that they have very

895
00:52:01,340 --> 00:51:57,790
strange encounters with UFOs and some of

896
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:01,350
their experiences are unbelievable

897
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,940
there's no doubt they experience

898
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:05,920
something that that cannot be easily

899
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:11,910
explained especially when these craft

900
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:15,310
mitigate laws of inertia and gravity and

901
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:17,770
move up to nine twelve thousand miles

902
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:22,560
per hour among other types of physical

903
00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:26,890
events that we simply don't understand

904
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:28,900
I don't think anybody can dispute that

905
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:33,330
the point is the point is while these

906
00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:38,500
experiences are common I don't deny that

907
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:42,460
the question is what governs and

908
00:52:49,770 --> 00:52:47,380
regulates the behavior of these UFOs and

909
00:52:54,050 --> 00:52:49,780
we're talking about maybe five to ten

910
00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:54,060
percent of all UFOs that have remained

911
00:53:00,810 --> 00:52:56,620
unexplainable according to Project Blue

912
00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:00,820
Book and many other investigations into

913
00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:03,160
this phenomenon there's that small

914
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:07,240
percentage that remains unexplained now

915
00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:09,940
again it doesn't mean that

916
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:11,860
non-human intelligence from another

917
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:13,810
dimension or a solar system or a

918
00:53:20,540 --> 00:53:18,370
paranormal event it could be it could be

919
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:20,550
and I don't exclude that that

920
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:25,020
possibility but you know when you oppose

921
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:29,410
you oppose levitate cars or people and

922
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:33,370
when people get into some type of close

923
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:36,850
encounter with with UFO or all beings

924
00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:39,790
they they contend they develop for

925
00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:43,420
instance psychic abilities or special

926
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:47,380
healing powers and many of them are very

927
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:49,900
conscious when they are abducted most

928
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:54,760
aren't and most recall their abduction

929
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:58,210
or so-called paranormal experience with

930
00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:01,480
non-human intelligence through hypnotic

931
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:05,080
regression which is highly debatable and

932
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:08,680
certainly the our court of law does not

933
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:15,190
regard recall under hypnosis as a valid

934
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:19,140
means of evidence although hypnosis is

935
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:23,080
helpful in many other ways but about

936
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:25,360
thirty percent I believe of those who

937
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:27,790
have had these kinds of experience have

938
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:36,280
conscious recall of it so I I'm not

939
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:38,410
gonna argue I'm not going to argue with

940
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:43,720
some of these leading scientists who

941
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:48,250
again contend that that we might be

942
00:54:57,090 --> 00:54:52,090
looking at a paranormal event or an

943
00:55:01,530 --> 00:54:57,100
extra dimensional theory that governs

944
00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:01,540
and regulates the behavior of this

945
00:55:09,830 --> 00:55:04,360
phenomenon because of the seemingly

946
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:09,840
bizarre nature of experiences by

947
00:55:22,779 --> 00:55:21,700
individuals so I guess we can also look

948
00:55:27,069 --> 00:55:22,789
at

949
00:55:30,219 --> 00:55:27,079
normal theory which is tied into the X

950
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:30,229
dimensional theory as well I believe it

951
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:33,249
was Jacques Vallee who coined the term

952
00:55:41,319 --> 00:55:37,209
remember high strangeness mm-hmm which

953
00:55:44,049 --> 00:55:41,329
relates to some of the experiences we're

954
00:55:48,359 --> 00:55:44,059
talking about and in kind of asides at

955
00:55:52,739 --> 00:55:48,369
the fringe a lot of UFO theory continuum

956
00:55:56,529 --> 00:55:52,749
especially since what we call paranormal

957
00:56:01,209 --> 00:55:56,539
it can't be measured or explained using

958
00:56:05,019 --> 00:56:01,219
the scientific method and given the high

959
00:56:08,349 --> 00:56:05,029
strangeness of the phenomenon any theory

960
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:08,359
to explain these unusual aerial events

961
00:56:15,909 --> 00:56:12,410
or or types of encounters is certainly

962
00:56:22,269 --> 00:56:15,919
met with a high degree of skepticism by

963
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:22,279
the scientific community so that's why

964
00:56:31,659 --> 00:56:25,609
mainstream science regazzi apology in

965
00:56:34,329 --> 00:56:31,669
part as a pseudoscience and in part they

966
00:56:38,409 --> 00:56:34,339
they're very reluctant to get involved

967
00:56:41,439 --> 00:56:38,419
with research in this phenomenon

968
00:56:45,399 --> 00:56:41,449
certainly for fear of ridiculed by their

969
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:45,409
colleagues and because throughout the

970
00:56:52,749 --> 00:56:48,849
decades of investigating this phenomenon

971
00:56:57,339 --> 00:56:52,759
as far as I'm concerned we have made

972
00:57:00,339 --> 00:56:57,349
very little if any progress to better

973
00:57:04,809 --> 00:57:00,349
understand the phenomenon the spikes

974
00:57:06,579 --> 00:57:04,819
again decades of analysis and and

975
00:57:10,689 --> 00:57:06,589
misdirection and if we continue along

976
00:57:12,699 --> 00:57:10,699
the same lines unless a flying saucer

977
00:57:17,459 --> 00:57:12,709
so-called lands on the White House lawn

978
00:57:20,849 --> 00:57:17,469
or is on CNN breaking news

979
00:57:24,579 --> 00:57:20,859
we're still not going to have any

980
00:57:27,999 --> 00:57:24,589
reasonable understanding of the

981
00:57:32,229 --> 00:57:28,009
phenomenon unless we take a different

982
00:57:36,089 --> 00:57:32,239
route and possibly looking into this

983
00:57:40,359 --> 00:57:36,099
quantum physics and applying

984
00:57:42,490 --> 00:57:40,369
to the phenomenon and and trying to

985
00:57:44,650 --> 00:57:42,500
better understand how how this may

986
00:57:48,670 --> 00:57:44,660
influence one's consciousness and

987
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,680
reality which it might explain the

988
00:57:55,059 --> 00:57:51,520
unusual features of this phenomenon

989
00:58:05,260 --> 00:57:55,069
senses affects people in very profound

990
00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:05,270
ways so when did UFOs shape-shift they

991
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:09,020
materialize and dematerialize people

992
00:58:13,289 --> 00:58:11,089
report aliens floating through

993
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:13,299
structures and having telepathic

994
00:58:21,089 --> 00:58:16,910
communication with them or experiencing

995
00:58:24,849 --> 00:58:21,099
a lost time or being abducted by by

996
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:24,859
beings this falls under again that that

997
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:28,970
paranormal theory which probably isn't a

998
00:58:35,289 --> 00:58:32,569
good term to use something that simply

999
00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:35,299
cannot be explained by scientific

1000
00:58:42,279 --> 00:58:38,420
principles so we call it paranormal and

1001
00:58:48,269 --> 00:58:42,289
people also report encounters with very

1002
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:48,279
strange creatures and the guys like

1003
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:53,210
phenomenon associated with with UFOs and

1004
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:55,970
and here again if we're talking about

1005
00:59:03,130 --> 00:58:59,119
the paranormal people some people

1006
00:59:07,569 --> 00:59:03,140
develop psychic powers such as telepathy

1007
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:07,579
or psychic healing or reports of being

1008
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:10,690
threatened by what the core men in black

1009
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:14,720
who applied pressure in order to silence

1010
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:18,650
them no I don't know they're members of

1011
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:22,490
a secret government organization or what

1012
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:26,720
or they people see apparitions which

1013
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:30,799
sometimes attack them but you know I can

1014
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:34,609
go on and on with specific cases that

1015
00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:38,920
people allegedly have reported

1016
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:43,460
incredible and very very difficult to

1017
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:47,730
believe yet these cases

1018
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:51,960
cysts and and we can get into that high

1019
00:59:59,660 --> 00:59:54,330
strangeness in more detail if you like

1020
01:00:03,849 --> 00:59:59,670
but it's wild but a plasma - is another

1021
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:03,859
it's another possibility of a

1022
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:07,680
physiologic defense that might help

1023
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:11,940
explain some of the fire to 10% of UFOs

1024
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:17,910
that that are considered unexplained and

1025
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:21,119
and plasma which is like ball lightning

1026
01:00:26,060 --> 01:00:23,810
and is poorly understood it carries

1027
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:26,070
electrical current and it generates

1028
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:29,420
magnetic fields and and it actually

1029
01:00:36,050 --> 01:00:31,770
comprises and you mentioned survey Dark

1030
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:36,060
Matter it comprises more than 99% of the

1031
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:39,630
visible universe and again it's not

1032
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:42,359
fully understood by modern science but

1033
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:45,930
but what's interesting about plasma is

1034
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:50,400
that it's very similar to many reports

1035
01:00:58,940 --> 01:00:55,410
that people contend about their

1036
01:01:01,220 --> 01:00:58,950
experience in other words that plasma

1037
01:01:05,050 --> 01:01:01,230
can appear as many different colors that

1038
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:05,060
have the fuzzy appearance it can split

1039
01:01:13,970 --> 01:01:10,500
into two or more separate parts it

1040
01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:13,980
rotates and you know what you in a

1041
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:17,460
nonlinear fashion it can emit light at

1042
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:21,930
the point is it behaves in many ways

1043
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:26,280
that are similar to the behavior of UFOs

1044
01:01:33,050 --> 01:01:29,580
as as expressed by many people that's

1045
01:01:36,410 --> 01:01:33,060
right we're at the top of the hour and I

1046
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:36,420
would like to say on in the second hour

1047
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:37,740
I would like to discuss more about

1048
01:01:42,109 --> 01:01:40,530
plasma I have a few questions about that

1049
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:42,119
in the second hour we're going to be

1050
01:02:00,750 --> 01:01:44,850
taking phone calls from anyone listening

1051
01:02:09,850 --> 01:02:05,260
all right we're back live with our guest

1052
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:09,860
Robert Davis PhD and talking about the

1053
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,690
UFO phenomena in many different ways and

1054
01:02:19,090 --> 01:02:16,160
again if you would like to call into the

1055
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:19,100
show the phone number is six zero three

1056
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:23,300
nine six seven four o3o you're welcome

1057
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:26,240
to call in with any questions and all

1058
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:29,170
right so getting back on the subject of

1059
01:02:36,430 --> 01:02:34,850
plasma one of the things you wonder you

1060
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:36,440
hear about the orbs like the orbs you

1061
01:02:41,770 --> 01:02:39,680
saw you hear about small orbs tiny orbs

1062
01:02:45,340 --> 01:02:41,780
and almost like they have intelligent

1063
01:02:50,110 --> 01:02:45,350
control you also hear about the Foo

1064
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:50,120
Fighters and it's kind of like a whole

1065
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:52,070
thing within itself and I know there's

1066
01:02:55,930 --> 01:02:53,890
someone coming out from what I

1067
01:02:58,060 --> 01:02:55,940
understand there's someone writing a

1068
01:03:00,100 --> 01:02:58,070
book right now that's going to be coming

1069
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:00,110
out pretty soon and and it's focusing

1070
01:03:10,330 --> 01:03:04,670
solely on orbs and things like that how

1071
01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:10,340
much have you looked into that part well

1072
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:18,380
I think about orbs they are commonly

1073
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:23,510
seen they come in various colors they

1074
01:03:33,010 --> 01:03:29,330
behave in very strange ways but evidence

1075
01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:33,020
to support this plasma based theory and

1076
01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:37,220
was provided by the project condign back

1077
01:03:45,070 --> 01:03:41,590
I think it was 1997 or 2000 this is a

1078
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:45,080
secret UFO study of over 10,000

1079
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:49,250
sightings over a 30-year period that the

1080
01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:52,910
British government intelligence agency

1081
01:03:59,800 --> 01:03:57,380
conducted and they concluded that UFOs

1082
01:04:03,210 --> 01:03:59,810
are highly charged

1083
01:04:05,620 --> 01:04:03,220
atmospheric plasma which can cause

1084
01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:05,630
neurologic effects on those who

1085
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:08,630
encountered them in other words they

1086
01:04:15,460 --> 01:04:11,570
said the majority of people who

1087
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:15,470
encountered plasma felt dizzy or

1088
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:19,270
reported tingling sensations or they had

1089
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:23,510
strange images felt vibration or or

1090
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:27,190
experienced fear or terror some of these

1091
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:29,510
some of the physiological and

1092
01:04:38,020 --> 01:04:33,650
psychological symptoms that occur when

1093
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:38,030
people do report seeing a UFO doesn't

1094
01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:41,270
mean that all UFOs are plasma base but

1095
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:44,060
it might explain some of them because of

1096
01:04:51,030 --> 01:04:47,090
the similarities between the patterns of

1097
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:51,040
behavior of plasma and those recorded by

1098
01:04:58,270 --> 01:04:54,770
witnesses of UFO encounters so they

1099
01:05:02,650 --> 01:04:58,280
share common characteristics at least

1100
01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:02,660
through anecdotal testimony and and the

1101
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:06,440
point is that that the UFOs ability to

1102
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:12,290
to separate or split to rotate disappear

1103
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:16,910
they emit light it gives the appearance

1104
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:21,290
that it's under intelligent control so

1105
01:05:29,770 --> 01:05:25,280
plasma does this as well and people may

1106
01:05:33,490 --> 01:05:29,780
think that non-human intelligence since

1107
01:05:39,450 --> 01:05:33,500
it's behaving in such uniquely strange

1108
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:39,460
ways when in fact it may be plasma based

1109
01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:43,430
so we need to do certainly more of a

1110
01:05:47,890 --> 01:05:45,080
search into this area

1111
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:47,900
I know Russian scientists are involved

1112
01:06:02,740 --> 01:05:56,020
there are physicists I forget their

1113
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:02,750
names Pierre Durrani they observed or I

1114
01:06:13,499 --> 01:06:06,160
should say studied many UFO cases

1115
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:17,870
they call plasmoid have been for

1116
01:06:22,499 --> 01:06:20,649
physical craft operated by non-human

1117
01:06:24,569 --> 01:06:22,509
intelligence obviously have been

1118
01:06:27,929 --> 01:06:24,579
recorded on numerous occasions you

1119
01:06:32,759 --> 01:06:27,939
mentioned Foo Fighters in World War 2 we

1120
01:06:34,439 --> 01:06:32,769
thought of a secret advanced craft by

1121
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:34,449
our enemy and they thought the same

1122
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:38,169
thing about about us but these these

1123
01:06:48,089 --> 01:06:42,130
plasmoid as these physicists referred

1124
01:06:52,499 --> 01:06:48,099
them as may be a basis for most UFO

1125
01:06:55,499 --> 01:06:52,509
sightings because it does appear under

1126
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:55,509
intelligent control but but it's a

1127
01:07:03,449 --> 01:06:57,849
common characteristic of a of an

1128
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:03,459
atmospheric media logic event that again

1129
01:07:13,739 --> 01:07:08,649
contains electrically charged currents

1130
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:13,749
and can generate magnetic fields and

1131
01:07:21,629 --> 01:07:18,839
that's why when a UFO lands we often

1132
01:07:24,059 --> 01:07:21,639
scientists who study the landing area

1133
01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:24,069
and examine the the so-called physical

1134
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:29,579
trace evidence of that reported UFO

1135
01:07:38,359 --> 01:07:34,689
event will will conclude that the soil

1136
01:07:42,409 --> 01:07:38,369
the vegetation the trees except etc

1137
01:07:47,549 --> 01:07:42,419
appear to have been exposed to an

1138
01:07:51,419 --> 01:07:47,559
electromagnetic wave or radioactivity of

1139
01:07:54,569 --> 01:07:51,429
some type and even the reports by humans

1140
01:07:56,909 --> 01:07:54,579
who have had a close encounter have

1141
01:08:03,569 --> 01:07:56,919
similar types of physiological and

1142
01:08:09,319 --> 01:08:03,579
psychological experiences since these

1143
01:08:13,259 --> 01:08:09,329
plasmoid can generate electromagnetic

1144
01:08:15,779 --> 01:08:13,269
energy now let me emphasize again

1145
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:15,789
doesn't mean that UFOs all your photos

1146
01:08:21,629 --> 01:08:19,329
are plasma based but it's something that

1147
01:08:25,169 --> 01:08:21,639
needs to be examined more thoroughly

1148
01:08:26,050 --> 01:08:25,179
that's a possible explanation for for

1149
01:08:30,190 --> 01:08:26,060
some

1150
01:08:36,490 --> 01:08:30,200
UFOs yeah then you get into the time

1151
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:36,500
travel before we move into that I'd like

1152
01:08:43,090 --> 01:08:39,920
to mention I saw in your book the the

1153
01:08:44,980 --> 01:08:43,100
Socorro case and I wanted to just say

1154
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:44,990
you know to the listening audience out

1155
01:08:49,150 --> 01:08:47,359
there now there's a website a UFO

1156
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:49,160
website that just published this found

1157
01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:52,400
footage of the Sikora case and you can

1158
01:08:57,070 --> 01:08:54,350
find it I can't remember exactly the

1159
01:08:59,890 --> 01:08:57,080
website it's on but but you'll see it if

1160
01:09:01,930 --> 01:08:59,900
you google it and I spoke with Ray

1161
01:09:05,470 --> 01:09:01,940
Stanford today who was the first

1162
01:09:08,590 --> 01:09:05,480
investigator on you know on the grounds

1163
01:09:10,300 --> 01:09:08,600
there and he said that basically he

1164
01:09:12,430 --> 01:09:10,310
knows all about that film he's looked at

1165
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:12,440
that film many years ago it's not found

1166
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:14,930
film or anything like that as it's being

1167
01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:17,810
claimed to be but he also said that the

1168
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:20,420
the woman who's talking you know things

1169
01:09:24,190 --> 01:09:22,730
that happened as a child and why they

1170
01:09:27,190 --> 01:09:24,200
showed up there and all that he said

1171
01:09:29,980 --> 01:09:27,200
it's all BS he knows very well that it's

1172
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:29,990
all BS because he was there and that the

1173
01:09:33,190 --> 01:09:31,970
family met with Lonnie and Lottie

1174
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,200
brought him there he would have no

1175
01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:35,600
reason to do that because he did not

1176
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:38,120
want our really even it you know admit

1177
01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:39,650
to the whole situation it was kind of

1178
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:41,900
ducking the whole situation he wasn't

1179
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,250
gonna take a family that he just

1180
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:44,480
happened to palm and bring them out

1181
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:47,450
there but anyway it's interesting it

1182
01:09:52,150 --> 01:09:50,270
just came out I think today or yesterday

1183
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:52,160
and people are starting to post it as if

1184
01:09:56,890 --> 01:09:54,050
it's something new this this is one of

1185
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:56,900
the things that happens in the field you

1186
01:10:02,170 --> 01:09:59,570
know a lot of times someone will pull

1187
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:02,180
something without researching it deeply

1188
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:05,450
and and a lot of times I'll get emails

1189
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:08,690
about it from people that push the hard

1190
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:10,910
line of trying to keep things you know

1191
01:10:17,650 --> 01:10:15,320
even and thoughtful in this field will

1192
01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:17,660
email me and tell me but sometimes it's

1193
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:20,360
hard to tell who's right and who's got a

1194
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:22,190
beef with someone and you know there's a

1195
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:24,530
lot of politics in this and it's kind of

1196
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:28,340
hard to to figure out while back on the

1197
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:32,030
message board someone and I do want to

1198
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,310
continue and talk about the Socorro case

1199
01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:37,040
but someone posed a question

1200
01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:39,560
so you're basically new in the field

1201
01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:41,180
what are you going to add to it or what

1202
01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:44,740
are you going to attempt to add to it

1203
01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:53,320
well my book phenomenon should I believe

1204
01:11:03,870 --> 01:10:57,310
which attempts to provide an objective

1205
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:03,880
evaluation of the phenomenon with many

1206
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:06,860
suggestions as to where we should go

1207
01:11:17,710 --> 01:11:11,930
from here I provide some some I think

1208
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:17,720
unique insight about the phenomenon I'm

1209
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:20,930
critical of the types of studies that

1210
01:11:27,850 --> 01:11:24,110
have been done I call the need for

1211
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:27,860
further investigation again as I

1212
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:30,410
mentioned earlier by a diverse group of

1213
01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:35,510
scientists that is now being being led

1214
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:42,940
through that free foundation but I

1215
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:46,330
contribute those types of insights which

1216
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:50,110
people may or may not agree with but

1217
01:11:58,590 --> 01:11:53,330
again as a member of that free

1218
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:58,600
Foundation I hope to provide some some

1219
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:02,000
help collecting quantitative and

1220
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:04,570
qualitative data analyzing it and

1221
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:08,770
helping others write up the information

1222
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:12,140
and to provide my background as a

1223
01:12:18,340 --> 01:12:15,710
scientist in in that regard whether or

1224
01:12:20,290 --> 01:12:18,350
not my contributions are working and

1225
01:12:23,790 --> 01:12:20,300
meaningful that that sort of remains to

1226
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:23,800
be seen but I am excited about it

1227
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:27,280
because it might it might provide some

1228
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:30,710
answers to this phenomenon because

1229
01:12:37,780 --> 01:12:33,530
unless we undertake a different approach

1230
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:37,790
than what has been taken over many

1231
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:41,030
decades we're still going to continue to

1232
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,290
debate the controversies about whether

1233
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:48,080
or not the Flying Saucer crashed in

1234
01:12:58,300 --> 01:12:56,110
UFOs deactivated missile sites on

1235
01:13:03,520 --> 01:12:58,310
numerous occasions both here and in

1236
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:03,530
Russia of the Phoenix lights again you

1237
01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:08,560
know was a clear example of et related

1238
01:13:15,939 --> 01:13:12,590
contact including the rendered

1239
01:13:18,189 --> 01:13:15,949
Rendlesham forest incident which is also

1240
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:18,199
a source of controversy and there's a

1241
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:22,460
book out by Nick talk was done a

1242
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:25,930
wonderful job as a leading UFO

1243
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:29,350
researcher where he interviewed the

1244
01:13:41,620 --> 01:13:37,420
bus's named plaintiff had direct closed

1245
01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:41,630
experiences with a UFO

1246
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:44,870
yeah there's a there's so there's a some

1247
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:48,320
people that would beg argue that that is

1248
01:13:53,740 --> 01:13:51,590
such a good book I don't have anything

1249
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:53,750
against Nick other I've asked him on the

1250
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:55,489
show a number of times he refuses to

1251
01:14:00,760 --> 01:13:57,110
come on just because he says he's too

1252
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:00,770
busy and that's that's fine and I'm just

1253
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:01,610
saying that I don't have anything

1254
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,130
against him when I say this that that

1255
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:07,040
book was written it could have been

1256
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:11,120
written in a first hand instead of he

1257
01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:13,130
basically wrote for them because they

1258
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:14,300
said they couldn't write and I

1259
01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:16,790
understand that but it's just you know a

1260
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,500
lot of people are complaining that you

1261
01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:21,199
can't really get the feel of the person

1262
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:24,140
themselves talking I have not read that

1263
01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:27,170
book and I probably should before I you

1264
01:14:33,459 --> 01:14:29,960
know critique it of course that would be

1265
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:33,469
the right thing to do of course so I

1266
01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:35,510
want to get back on track and we were

1267
01:14:41,380 --> 01:14:38,920
just talking about the Socorro case and

1268
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:41,390
one of the things that comes to mind is

1269
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:44,810
it possible that these things that we

1270
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:47,810
actually see full form of are in part

1271
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:51,730
plasma or a plasma motivated or

1272
01:15:04,540 --> 01:15:03,310
particles it's like somewhat the ball

1273
01:15:09,609 --> 01:15:04,550
light

1274
01:15:16,660 --> 01:15:09,619
which which has come down chimneys into

1275
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:16,670
people's homes that the fact and point

1276
01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:20,920
is while it we know it exists there

1277
01:15:29,729 --> 01:15:24,760
there are other types of atmospheric

1278
01:15:33,899 --> 01:15:29,739
manifestations of electrically charged

1279
01:15:37,209 --> 01:15:33,909
events that are poorly understood and

1280
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:37,219
again can be confused with an

1281
01:15:42,129 --> 01:15:40,190
intelligence or an intelligent crap

1282
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,139
because it behaves in a manner that

1283
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:44,960
suggests there there is an intelligence

1284
01:15:50,410 --> 01:15:47,750
behind it when it makes so angular

1285
01:15:56,069 --> 01:15:50,420
movements accelerates at rapid speeds

1286
01:16:01,000 --> 01:15:56,079
etc so that that might explain some of

1287
01:16:05,470 --> 01:16:01,010
the alleged contentions by those who

1288
01:16:09,339 --> 01:16:05,480
witness an unusual aerial event where

1289
01:16:11,979 --> 01:16:09,349
they may conclude its et coming here

1290
01:16:15,069 --> 01:16:11,989
when in fact it's not but it doesn't

1291
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:15,079
fully exclude the possibility that it is

1292
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:17,420
et from either another dimension north

1293
01:16:27,939 --> 01:16:22,010
over time or or solar system so we can

1294
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:27,949
go on debating all of these incidents

1295
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:30,710
some of which are quite remarkable like

1296
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:34,159
the shag harbour incident back in 1900

1297
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:38,000
was in 1967 or the mass sightings and in

1298
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:42,710
Washington DC back in 52 there are

1299
01:16:51,780 --> 01:16:48,130
several remarkable experiences that that

1300
01:16:55,209 --> 01:16:51,790
thousands of people have witnessed

1301
01:16:59,950 --> 01:16:55,219
there's no debate in my mind at least

1302
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:59,960
that that UFOs exist that the five

1303
01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:02,800
logical explanation I don't think

1304
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:12,040
anybody will believe and that and and by

1305
01:17:20,830 --> 01:17:17,690
continuing to write books and debate

1306
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:20,840
about these past events in terms of

1307
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:23,600
whether or not it proves with

1308
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:29,590
irrefutable evidence that is

1309
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:34,850
intelligence from somewhere else we're

1310
01:17:39,250 --> 01:17:35,930
gonna go nowhere

1311
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:39,260
yeah I agree I agree but I will I will

1312
01:17:47,260 --> 01:17:44,030
say that to just counter what you just

1313
01:17:49,959 --> 01:17:47,270
said there is that there are people that

1314
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:49,969
I have actually talked with out there

1315
01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:52,340
and have actually debated here on on

1316
01:18:00,370 --> 01:17:57,710
this show that that do not believe that

1317
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:00,380
there's unexplainable UFOs so they

1318
01:18:05,620 --> 01:18:02,690
believe that every single one of them is

1319
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:05,630
explainable prosaically you know from

1320
01:18:12,130 --> 01:18:09,530
this earth in some way so there are

1321
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:12,140
those people out there that and those

1322
01:18:15,959 --> 01:18:13,489
are the ones that have to be hit with a

1323
01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:15,969
hammer of evidence before they actually

1324
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:19,820
would open their mind a little bit about

1325
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:26,810
it that's my opinion make a very good

1326
01:18:38,729 --> 01:18:35,830
extraordinary conclusions by many many

1327
01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:38,739
leading researches I'm not even going to

1328
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:41,060
provide names

1329
01:18:48,250 --> 01:18:44,510
that's unsubstantiated by compelling

1330
01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:48,260
factual evidence and they contend that

1331
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:53,510
UFOs manifest in our time and space as

1332
01:18:59,950 --> 01:18:57,199
physical spaceship with biologic

1333
01:19:02,170 --> 01:18:59,960
life-forms they contend

1334
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:02,180
we've been visited by advanced

1335
01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:05,630
interstellar civilizations that can

1336
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:12,760
travel through other dimensions and

1337
01:19:21,459 --> 01:19:17,530
these types of theories continues to

1338
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:21,469
bewilder many individuals who study the

1339
01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:29,410
phenomenon of vehicles and and deceased

1340
01:19:33,970 --> 01:19:31,400
life-forms of various

1341
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:33,980
alien races that that are stored in an

1342
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:38,000
underground facility what do you make of

1343
01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:40,850
that you know I I don't know and that

1344
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:44,030
the military some of the military

1345
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:47,600
complex are involved with alien

1346
01:19:53,490 --> 01:19:50,210
technology and we backed engineered it

1347
01:19:59,650 --> 01:19:53,500
and we're using it to our advantage

1348
01:20:02,260 --> 01:19:59,660
etc again unsubstantiated now it could

1349
01:20:04,540 --> 01:20:02,270
it be true yeah it could be true but

1350
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:04,550
where is the tangible evidence and again

1351
01:20:10,330 --> 01:20:07,130
these these statements and conclusions

1352
01:20:12,850 --> 01:20:10,340
are made in my opinion without that

1353
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:12,860
compelling testimony although although

1354
01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:17,360
there are there are people like Leslie

1355
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:20,870
Kane who wrote a recent book and I

1356
01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:23,210
forget the title of it and she said

1357
01:20:29,380 --> 01:20:26,870
she's talked with many high-level no

1358
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:29,390
therian government officials who contend

1359
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:34,640
that that in fact we we are aware of an

1360
01:20:43,150 --> 01:20:40,810
et presence and that there is some

1361
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:43,160
agency within the government poly

1362
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:46,130
unknown to even presidents that are

1363
01:20:55,210 --> 01:20:49,430
aware of this phenomenon and then

1364
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:55,220
believes it to be et in origin so but

1365
01:21:02,110 --> 01:20:58,250
nevertheless these there are so many

1366
01:21:03,460 --> 01:21:02,120
unconfirmed irrefutable conclusions

1367
01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:03,470
which which I think are

1368
01:21:11,620 --> 01:21:07,540
counterproductive and they do create

1369
01:21:14,530 --> 01:21:11,630
what disillusion among many scientists

1370
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:14,540
and politicians and that that impedes

1371
01:21:22,770 --> 01:21:18,110
our effort to promote enhance the

1372
01:21:29,950 --> 01:21:22,780
quality and need for UFO based research

1373
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:29,960
so again you can't make these kinds of

1374
01:21:38,890 --> 01:21:34,340
conclusions without without scientific

1375
01:21:42,910 --> 01:21:38,900
research and ten tangible evidence going

1376
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:42,920
back to do we finish the Sakura case why

1377
01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:44,900
you wipe had that in the book I can't

1378
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:45,320
remember

1379
01:21:52,570 --> 01:21:48,170
no no I mean I had I talked about

1380
01:21:54,370 --> 01:21:52,580
Roswell which in a sense is similar to

1381
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:54,380
the car do you mean the Roswell incident

1382
01:22:09,130 --> 01:21:57,730
no the Socorro with Lonnie Zamora oh

1383
01:22:13,620 --> 01:22:09,140
yeah sort of some controversy to where

1384
01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:13,630
he observed a metallic craft with a

1385
01:22:20,110 --> 01:22:17,140
strange insignia on it and was also

1386
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:20,120
verified by another individual who saw

1387
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:24,170
it accelerated at tremendous speeds from

1388
01:22:31,230 --> 01:22:28,850
from the ground but things like that had

1389
01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:31,240
been reported on numerous occasions

1390
01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:36,190
worldwide the Toccara Toccara infants is

1391
01:22:42,220 --> 01:22:38,840
interesting but it is not all that

1392
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:42,230
unique there there are many other types

1393
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:46,490
of experiences and incidents that I

1394
01:22:58,210 --> 01:22:50,510
think are more let's say remarkable in

1395
01:23:02,800 --> 01:22:58,220
terms of trying to explain logically for

1396
01:23:07,300 --> 01:23:02,810
instance a going to per who some people

1397
01:23:10,330 --> 01:23:07,310
may recall was an astronaut and project

1398
01:23:13,390 --> 01:23:10,340
the mercury and Gemini he said and

1399
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:13,400
anybody can get on YouTube and listen to

1400
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:20,210
him say that he witnessed a physical

1401
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:24,890
craft that was consumed by flames that

1402
01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:28,400
that left four indentation on the desert

1403
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:32,780
and that beings left the craft they

1404
01:23:39,310 --> 01:23:34,970
collected soil samples and then they

1405
01:23:41,650 --> 01:23:39,320
eventually disappeared at tremendous

1406
01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:41,660
speeds and there was no doubt in his

1407
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:44,030
mind that they were some they came from

1408
01:23:53,260 --> 01:23:48,110
some place other than Earth now is he

1409
01:23:55,660 --> 01:23:53,270
crazy maybe but this is what he intends

1410
01:23:58,210 --> 01:23:55,670
and he has made that public

1411
01:23:58,930 --> 01:23:58,220
likewise Edgar Mitchell another

1412
01:24:00,700 --> 01:23:58,940
astronaut

1413
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:00,710
I mentioned earlier the sixth man to

1414
01:24:09,130 --> 01:24:03,110
walk on the moon and who is a member of

1415
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:09,140
this free Foundation contends that there

1416
01:24:18,610 --> 01:24:13,610
are et visitors that they have correct

1417
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:18,620
crashed on our planet we have recovered

1418
01:24:26,410 --> 01:24:23,440
bodies we have reverse-engineered

1419
01:24:29,050 --> 01:24:26,420
technology from the craft and now where

1420
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:29,060
we get this information well he has

1421
01:24:36,430 --> 01:24:33,199
spoken with many officials and other

1422
01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:36,440
individuals I guess who have shared that

1423
01:24:46,959 --> 01:24:41,300
type of information with them with great

1424
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:46,969
credibility enough so that he he is a

1425
01:24:53,939 --> 01:24:51,199
supporter of what UFOs being

1426
01:25:01,300 --> 01:24:53,949
intelligently controlled by non-human

1427
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:01,310
intelligence some unbelievable cases

1428
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:07,489
it's brings to mind you talk about high

1429
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:11,750
strangeness and incidents like the

1430
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:16,239
Socorro one one even more fascinating

1431
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:19,570
involved cosmonaut since one of the

1432
01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:24,800
Sawyer's ships in space where three

1433
01:25:33,939 --> 01:25:29,960
cosmonauts reported seeing angel-like

1434
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:33,949
beings outside the craft paralleling the

1435
01:25:44,590 --> 01:25:38,000
craft with wings with haloes around

1436
01:25:46,330 --> 01:25:44,600
their heads and and and they reported

1437
01:25:48,370 --> 01:25:46,340
this figure the grand all three

1438
01:25:52,510 --> 01:25:48,380
reporters and they mentioned the city

1439
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:52,520
ground and they thought of course that

1440
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,610
it was due to lack of oxygen or sleep

1441
01:26:05,130 --> 01:25:58,000
deprivation or effects from whatever

1442
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:08,640
docked with that one and three other

1443
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:13,360
cosmonauts join them gets what

1444
01:26:19,540 --> 01:26:16,580
they had the same experience so now we

1445
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:19,550
have you know six cosmonauts reporting

1446
01:26:25,450 --> 01:26:22,730
attention the same thing and but they

1447
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:25,460
just arrived and so how could it be due

1448
01:26:34,660 --> 01:26:29,360
to you know the reasons that the ground

1449
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:34,670
provided for the initial experience from

1450
01:26:42,430 --> 01:26:38,510
the first no three cosmonauts you can't

1451
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:42,440
you can't assume it's due to some type

1452
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:47,630
of space phenomena and when they landed

1453
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:50,360
they obviously were analyzed when two

1454
01:26:58,990 --> 01:26:55,610
psychological tests came out just fine

1455
01:27:02,560 --> 01:26:59,000
very balanced individuals who reported

1456
01:27:09,820 --> 01:27:02,570
the same story independent of each other

1457
01:27:11,020 --> 01:27:09,830
and those goes on unexplained after not

1458
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:11,030
Musgraves

1459
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,199
he flying one of the SPS missions he

1460
01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:18,080
said an object appears beneath the

1461
01:27:25,149 --> 01:27:21,710
shuttle and and followed it and he was

1462
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:25,159
adamant that that he said these guys are

1463
01:27:32,260 --> 01:27:29,090
real you know I guarantee it meaning he

1464
01:27:36,060 --> 01:27:32,270
thought it was eating many astronauts

1465
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:36,070
have made these kinds of allegations

1466
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:39,760
hard to say what it is but they say it

1467
01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:43,370
and we can go again on and on looking at

1468
01:27:49,780 --> 01:27:47,510
these these types of cases and how how

1469
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:49,790
UFOs have been seen over nuclear bases

1470
01:27:56,430 --> 01:27:53,030
Robert Hastings has examined this over

1471
01:28:00,750 --> 01:27:56,440
the past thirty four years interviewing

1472
01:28:03,610 --> 01:28:00,760
people from the nuclear bases who

1473
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:03,620
whereby affected by many witnesses

1474
01:28:13,290 --> 01:28:08,090
confirmed by radar and and what they

1475
01:28:23,050 --> 01:28:16,540
reactivate them one by one and and and

1476
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,060
the the those who control these these

1477
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:26,480
nuclear missiles contend that that in

1478
01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:32,110
tappable to do requires special codes

1479
01:28:40,770 --> 01:28:38,540
and contact with with these missiles -

1480
01:28:46,060 --> 01:28:40,780
in order to do that there are too many

1481
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:46,070
too many obstacles for anything to

1482
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:50,330
overcome or I should say to cause this

1483
01:28:57,820 --> 01:28:54,010
it happened in it happens in Russian

1484
01:28:59,410 --> 01:28:57,830
missile sites as well that UFOs are seen

1485
01:29:02,890 --> 01:28:59,420
in closets now maybe it's an

1486
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:02,900
electromagnetic event which can

1487
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:07,310
potentially deactivate nuclear missiles

1488
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:11,030
or or there's a message Robert Hastings

1489
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:13,610
contends that its et in nature and

1490
01:29:23,170 --> 01:29:16,340
they're providing us with a message like

1491
01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:23,180
you know stop this well maybe he's right

1492
01:29:32,710 --> 01:29:28,790
but we we can again go on and on and

1493
01:29:35,530 --> 01:29:32,720
look at simultaneous radar and visual

1494
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:35,540
sighting it's mass sightings and these

1495
01:29:42,060 --> 01:29:39,320
50 space incidences of the major mass

1496
01:29:45,010 --> 01:29:42,070
sighting says that go on and on the

1497
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:45,020
cases of high strangeness and and some

1498
01:29:50,380 --> 01:29:47,450
of the theories and that's all they are

1499
01:29:52,860 --> 01:29:50,390
theories that try to explain what

1500
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:52,870
regulates and governs this extraordinary

1501
01:29:59,050 --> 01:29:56,210
phenomenon and maybe maybe they're all

1502
01:30:01,390 --> 01:29:59,060
right maybe they're all wrong in terms

1503
01:30:05,010 --> 01:30:01,400
of the paranormal the plaza the time

1504
01:30:07,780 --> 01:30:05,020
travel what you mentioned the psycho

1505
01:30:11,470 --> 01:30:07,790
sociological theory but we should be

1506
01:30:18,750 --> 01:30:11,480
aware of it we should not completely

1507
01:30:23,860 --> 01:30:18,760
ignore it but yet but yet we have made

1508
01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:23,870
any advanced advancement throughout the

1509
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:26,510
decades in terms of our understanding

1510
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,570
what's going on and is there conspiracy

1511
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:32,000
theory to some people and the government

1512
01:30:37,780 --> 01:30:34,489
or military here in America or other

1513
01:30:39,399 --> 01:30:37,790
countries know what's going on and do

1514
01:30:41,979 --> 01:30:39,409
not tell us

1515
01:30:46,989 --> 01:30:41,989
maybe although there's very little

1516
01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:46,999
evidence to support that yet you can't

1517
01:30:51,759 --> 01:30:49,909
discount that as a possibility

1518
01:30:58,540 --> 01:30:51,769
Stan Friedman would disagree with you on

1519
01:31:02,319 --> 01:30:58,550
that standing Friedman it you know I and

1520
01:31:04,659 --> 01:31:02,329
I acknowledge the fine work by many many

1521
01:31:07,419 --> 01:31:04,669
you follow this I don't mean to denounce

1522
01:31:10,750 --> 01:31:07,429
that night I commend those with MUFON

1523
01:31:13,959 --> 01:31:10,760
and nightcap and our capital nor cap and

1524
01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:13,969
all those acronyms you know I commend

1525
01:31:19,989 --> 01:31:17,329
them for the work they have done forth

1526
01:31:23,739 --> 01:31:19,999
to better understand this phenomena and

1527
01:31:27,639 --> 01:31:23,749
I really do commend them I

1528
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:27,649
but Stanton Friedman probably one of the

1529
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:32,570
leading you follow this certainly

1530
01:31:41,879 --> 01:31:36,800
contends that that for instance a a UFO

1531
01:31:45,429 --> 01:31:41,889
a space spaceship did crash in Roswell

1532
01:31:47,709 --> 01:31:45,439
but surprisingly very little was made of

1533
01:31:54,669 --> 01:31:47,719
that Roswell incident back in what was

1534
01:31:59,770 --> 01:31:54,679
it 47 yeah until he interviewed major

1535
01:32:03,159 --> 01:31:59,780
was it named Marcel herself in 78 and

1536
01:32:05,699 --> 01:32:03,169
when he and when Marcel said you know it

1537
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:05,709
was I found this I deem it had

1538
01:32:13,379 --> 01:32:08,719
hieroglyphics on it all right I have we

1539
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:13,389
had material that was thin as paper but

1540
01:32:25,409 --> 01:32:20,090
couldn't burn then following that

1541
01:32:29,169 --> 01:32:25,419
interview of Marcel's contentions that

1542
01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:29,179
the alien craft landed and he saw the

1543
01:32:37,119 --> 01:32:33,260
body a lean body since then Roswell has

1544
01:32:42,099 --> 01:32:37,129
been a source of incredible debate even

1545
01:32:46,779 --> 01:32:42,109
to this day and now Stanton Friedman

1546
01:32:51,849 --> 01:32:46,789
believe believe that some spaceship bit

1547
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:51,859
in fact some crash in Roswell well again

1548
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:53,209
it's anecdotal

1549
01:33:00,520 --> 01:32:57,110
and most of the evidence ufologist have

1550
01:33:05,949 --> 01:33:00,530
to address and believe or not believe in

1551
01:33:07,629 --> 01:33:05,959
it's anecdotal witness testimony I I

1552
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:07,639
don't know what to make of Roswell I

1553
01:33:12,489 --> 01:33:10,249
really don't because it'd be project

1554
01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:12,499
mogul as as the General Accounting

1555
01:33:20,189 --> 01:33:16,340
Office contends of the United States

1556
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,199
content ad wouldn't surprise me since

1557
01:33:26,649 --> 01:33:22,639
we're in a cold war with Russia

1558
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:26,659
we had the secret balloons with cameras

1559
01:33:32,370 --> 01:33:29,449
and maybe did Krypton that was it that

1560
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:32,380
crashed again we're talking about

1561
01:33:37,959 --> 01:33:35,570
witness testimony alleged witness

1562
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:37,969
testimony and trying to make sense of it

1563
01:33:44,910 --> 01:33:42,050
but that's why the scientific and

1564
01:33:48,899 --> 01:33:44,920
political community doesn't buy into it

1565
01:33:52,750 --> 01:33:48,909
because conclusions are made without

1566
01:33:55,509 --> 01:33:52,760
scientific led research using the

1567
01:34:02,589 --> 01:33:55,519
so-called scientific method which may in

1568
01:34:06,609 --> 01:34:02,599
fact be inappropriate to apply given

1569
01:34:09,729 --> 01:34:06,619
given the scientific principles we are

1570
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:09,739
now familiar with in terms of applying

1571
01:34:16,660 --> 01:34:13,249
that to a phenomenon that may very well

1572
01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:16,670
not ascribed to to the principles we

1573
01:34:25,109 --> 01:34:20,510
have at this present time it only took

1574
01:34:29,140 --> 01:34:25,119
what 66 years from Kitty Hawk to when

1575
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:29,150
Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong walked on

1576
01:34:36,179 --> 01:34:33,199
the moon what's the next sixty six years

1577
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:36,189
gonna bring obviously will we'll have

1578
01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:39,050
scientific theories that will that may

1579
01:34:43,689 --> 01:34:41,590
very well help us better understand this

1580
01:34:46,569 --> 01:34:43,699
phenomenon but I think that's what's

1581
01:34:51,399 --> 01:34:46,579
going to take our an increased

1582
01:34:57,339 --> 01:34:51,409
understanding of such principles in

1583
01:35:01,029 --> 01:34:57,349
order to apply to the phenomenon better

1584
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:01,039
understand again what is governing its

1585
01:35:06,650 --> 01:35:04,610
behavior and whether or not it's quantum

1586
01:35:08,990 --> 01:35:06,660
physics that that may

1587
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:09,000
provide us with some answers and

1588
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:18,850
that's why the phenomenon is so

1589
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:21,840
remarkably intriguing to me as well as

1590
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:26,370
many other people it's so strange at so

1591
01:35:33,740 --> 01:35:31,890
many levels it's hard to explain there's

1592
01:35:37,970 --> 01:35:33,750
people that see beings come out of a

1593
01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:37,980
craft there he's a 3 feet tall or 10

1594
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,490
feet tall they they try to force them

1595
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:43,440
into the craft of some kind of suction

1596
01:35:52,990 --> 01:35:48,480
device and then and there is one case

1597
01:35:56,510 --> 01:35:53,000
they're unsuccessful and in doing so and

1598
01:36:01,130 --> 01:35:56,520
they suddenly into the crap and take off

1599
01:36:04,940 --> 01:36:01,140
a tremendous speeds experiences like

1600
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:04,950
that now but that makes me unequivocally

1601
01:36:14,090 --> 01:36:09,450
believe that that it's alien beings who

1602
01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:14,100
did this because again who encountered

1603
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:17,480
this alleged that this experience

1604
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:22,050
occurred there was there was thousands

1605
01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:24,690
of people and I forget the city in

1606
01:36:32,270 --> 01:36:28,140
Russia who reported the appearance of

1607
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:32,280
UFOs over many days which included many

1608
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:37,560
landings by many people and and endowed

1609
01:36:42,650 --> 01:36:40,320
the Belgium way in fact I think in 89 of

1610
01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:42,660
the black triangles which by the way is

1611
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:47,190
increasing now in reports for some

1612
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:52,170
reason Peter Davenport who records as

1613
01:36:59,620 --> 01:36:55,110
you know sightings on a continual basis

1614
01:37:02,590 --> 01:36:59,630
I believe has mentioned that these

1615
01:37:06,710 --> 01:37:02,600
triangular crafts are becoming more

1616
01:37:10,010 --> 01:37:06,720
common in recent times again is it a

1617
01:37:14,180 --> 01:37:10,020
advanced military craft as it explained

1618
01:37:17,870 --> 01:37:14,190
the observations of such craft in the

1619
01:37:19,460 --> 01:37:17,880
Belgium waves where we again we have

1620
01:37:21,260 --> 01:37:19,470
very large craft

1621
01:37:23,980 --> 01:37:21,270
triangular craft with a red light in the

1622
01:37:27,380 --> 01:37:23,990
middle and some lights on the edges

1623
01:37:31,790 --> 01:37:27,390
again thousands of people see it what

1624
01:37:34,460 --> 01:37:31,800
does it mean I don't know but but in an

1625
01:37:39,670 --> 01:37:34,470
incident in that in that city that I

1626
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:39,680
can't recall in Russia 10 foot tall beam

1627
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:44,210
comes out of a ship with three eyes

1628
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:48,960
wearing a silver outfit and they point

1629
01:37:56,690 --> 01:37:51,210
something device at a child that

1630
01:38:02,210 --> 01:37:56,700
paralyzes a child and then the object

1631
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:02,220
leaves and and the boy who has it go one

1632
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:04,410
big point that some kinds of fighters

1633
01:38:09,620 --> 01:38:06,930
the boy and the boy became paralyzed and

1634
01:38:12,650 --> 01:38:09,630
then disappeared and when then a ship

1635
01:38:17,060 --> 01:38:12,660
came back they pointed it at something

1636
01:38:19,940 --> 01:38:17,070
and the boy reappeared now a lot of

1637
01:38:21,530 --> 01:38:19,950
people saw this it's that kind of high

1638
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:21,540
strangeness I don't know if it's true or

1639
01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:25,230
not but this is an alleged report by

1640
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:30,510
many people it's certainly bizarre do I

1641
01:38:36,710 --> 01:38:33,600
believe it unequivocally I believe that

1642
01:38:40,970 --> 01:38:36,720
something very strange occurred I don't

1643
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:40,980
know why or how I just don't know what

1644
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:44,490
it means like those six cosmonauts that

1645
01:38:53,570 --> 01:38:48,770
see that those those reported angels

1646
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:53,580
outside their craft how about the UFO

1647
01:38:57,170 --> 01:38:55,290
ranch I think it's called what they call

1648
01:39:03,410 --> 01:38:57,180
it the spin Walker ranch right talk

1649
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:03,420
about paranormal here again where is the

1650
01:39:15,620 --> 01:39:11,280
the Nevada I believe and dr. Alice berry

1651
01:39:19,340 --> 01:39:15,630
wrote a book called you Utah UFO display

1652
01:39:23,150 --> 01:39:19,350
I think or an arc I can't recall if the

1653
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:23,160
knowledge allure or a book where people

1654
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:26,570
on this ranch reported poltergeist event

1655
01:39:31,900 --> 01:39:30,170
they even say they saw bigfoot-like

1656
01:39:38,290 --> 01:39:31,910
creatures

1657
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:38,300
and Robert Bigelow who founded the

1658
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:42,770
National Institute for discovery he

1659
01:39:48,910 --> 01:39:46,090
bought the ranch and he admitted to

1660
01:39:56,650 --> 01:39:48,920
difficulty obtaining evidence that's

1661
01:40:00,370 --> 01:39:56,660
consistent with science and and the the

1662
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:00,380
person who bought the ranch in 1994 I

1663
01:40:06,610 --> 01:40:04,310
think his name but Tom Gorman he he his

1664
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:06,620
wife also reported since floating

1665
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:10,370
spheres or orbs of different sizes and

1666
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:15,530
colors but that caused fear in them and

1667
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:19,360
it convinced them to sell their ranch I

1668
01:40:27,130 --> 01:40:23,030
would have sold it in a second but here

1669
01:40:31,450 --> 01:40:27,140
again these are generated an emotional

1670
01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:31,460
reaction a cattle were also killed with

1671
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,000
precision and calamy relations are also

1672
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:38,480
a kind of a what a symptom of this

1673
01:40:45,630 --> 01:40:40,910
phenomenon although some concerns that

1674
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:45,640
it is a secret military operation

1675
01:40:55,470 --> 01:40:51,920
because surgical procedures performed on

1676
01:40:59,740 --> 01:40:55,480
the cattle are done with such precision

1677
01:41:04,480 --> 01:40:59,750
it's taught to know actually what what's

1678
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:04,490
behind it and why they see black

1679
01:41:12,490 --> 01:41:09,440
triangles on this ranch reptilian

1680
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:12,500
creatures and some not to some many

1681
01:41:17,380 --> 01:41:14,930
people not only see the gray and common

1682
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:17,390
gray aliens but reptilian creatures

1683
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:19,790
among other types of strange-looking

1684
01:41:29,530 --> 01:41:28,070
creatures that come out of UFOs and you

1685
01:41:32,890 --> 01:41:29,540
know what do you what do you make of

1686
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:32,900
this ranch and why only why why is this

1687
01:41:39,970 --> 01:41:36,650
ranch so unique in terms of all the

1688
01:41:43,810 --> 01:41:39,980
these kinds of experiences does it

1689
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:43,820
happen in other places I bet it does but

1690
01:41:48,580 --> 01:41:45,489
I'm not aware

1691
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:48,590
what's so unique about this particular

1692
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:52,159
place and maybe we need to do some more

1693
01:42:03,069 --> 01:41:59,360
research in this area but the the dip

1694
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:03,079
society that Robin Bigelow fallacy again

1695
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:06,880
the National Institute for discovery

1696
01:42:14,620 --> 01:42:11,449
said that it isn't as simple as saying

1697
01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:14,630
that et or flying saucers are doing it

1698
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:16,630
some people but some kind of

1699
01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:23,119
consciousness that's behind it and here

1700
01:42:33,850 --> 01:42:27,249
again if I may mention again this is

1701
01:42:36,399 --> 01:42:33,860
free foundation look at that aspect of

1702
01:42:41,339 --> 01:42:36,409
the phenomenon how that consciousness

1703
01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:41,349
and and quantum physics and and and the

1704
01:42:49,899 --> 01:42:46,420
contactees experience is related or not

1705
01:42:53,919 --> 01:42:49,909
but it could be something to that effect

1706
01:42:59,500 --> 01:42:53,929
where our reality is under some type of

1707
01:43:04,750 --> 01:42:59,510
manipulation or control by an extra

1708
01:43:06,899 --> 01:43:04,760
dimensional reality it's it's certainly

1709
01:43:13,029 --> 01:43:06,909
hard to say and it certainly sounds

1710
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:13,039
weird to anybody maybe not so where you

1711
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:17,360
follow this but but any person who you

1712
01:43:22,569 --> 01:43:20,570
know who hears it who doesn't know

1713
01:43:24,669 --> 01:43:22,579
anything about ufology is not aware of

1714
01:43:28,750 --> 01:43:24,679
these high strangeness events it's

1715
01:43:31,839 --> 01:43:28,760
implausible and again again that's why

1716
01:43:34,089 --> 01:43:31,849
the scientific community you know looks

1717
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:34,099
at ufology there's nothing more than new

1718
01:43:41,529 --> 01:43:38,090
ages or hoaxes confabulation what they

1719
01:43:46,419 --> 01:43:41,539
call confirmation bias well you know we

1720
01:43:50,109 --> 01:43:46,429
believe something that we read if if it

1721
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:50,119
is if it supports our beliefs so if I

1722
01:43:57,239 --> 01:43:53,210
believe that UFOs are et and I read a

1723
01:43:58,900 --> 01:43:57,249
book that also contends that same

1724
01:44:01,000 --> 01:43:58,910
position

1725
01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:01,010
I'm gonna believe it I'm in other words

1726
01:44:05,860 --> 01:44:03,700
I'm not gonna look at it objectively

1727
01:44:08,710 --> 01:44:05,870
because my mind is made up

1728
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:08,720
and if I read a book that says UFOs do

1729
01:44:15,250 --> 01:44:13,520
not et related and I'm a believer in ET

1730
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:15,260
I'm gonna throw that book away it's not

1731
01:44:20,170 --> 01:44:17,510
consistent with my belief and we all

1732
01:44:23,740 --> 01:44:20,180
fall into that error in inductive

1733
01:44:27,670 --> 01:44:23,750
reasoning I I do too we all do some more

1734
01:44:30,220 --> 01:44:27,680
than others but that's why we had that

1735
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:30,230
debate between the skeptics and

1736
01:44:38,140 --> 01:44:34,250
believers and debunkers everybody has

1737
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:38,150
their own opinion but you can't dismiss

1738
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:42,080
you can't dismiss that people are having

1739
01:44:52,020 --> 01:44:48,080
Close Encounters aerial maneuvers bite

1740
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:52,030
by whatever it might be

1741
01:44:58,810 --> 01:44:56,330
plasma or possibly even et crap that

1742
01:45:04,000 --> 01:44:58,820
people are experiencing these high

1743
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,010
strangeness and collectively they poorly

1744
01:45:08,860 --> 01:45:06,800
understood event inconsistent with as I

1745
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,870
said before I pause I said being

1746
01:45:14,260 --> 01:45:11,360
redundant but they're inconsistent with

1747
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:14,270
with physical laws and psychological

1748
01:45:21,820 --> 01:45:17,930
behavior but do these cases of high

1749
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:21,830
strangeness doesn't represent a new area

1750
01:45:28,930 --> 01:45:25,840
of science or are we dealing with

1751
01:45:31,930 --> 01:45:28,940
creative hoaxes a cycle of cultural

1752
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:31,940
tsunami phenomenon or delusional

1753
01:45:38,370 --> 01:45:34,730
behaviors like crop circles and that's

1754
01:45:45,010 --> 01:45:38,380
that's kind of on the fringe of the UFO

1755
01:45:50,250 --> 01:45:45,020
issue people see UFOs and then the next

1756
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:54,280
but picture and in the wheat fields of

1757
01:45:59,970 --> 01:45:56,810
barley fields extraordinarily beautiful

1758
01:46:04,030 --> 01:45:59,980
and complex and and and done in

1759
01:46:07,420 --> 01:46:04,040
overnight that seems to defy not only

1760
01:46:09,460 --> 01:46:07,430
logical explanation but but you know how

1761
01:46:10,500 --> 01:46:09,470
could two people with the board you know

1762
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:10,510
who

1763
01:46:19,229 --> 01:46:17,050
these crop circles do so in such an

1764
01:46:22,979 --> 01:46:19,239
elaborate complex fashion in such a

1765
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:22,989
short period of time or is some kind of

1766
01:46:31,460 --> 01:46:27,420
methods being left for us to decipher by

1767
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:31,470
eg of some type that's a dimensional or

1768
01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:35,410
otherwise we only have we only have

1769
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:39,910
about ten minutes left or so and at one

1770
01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:44,560
time before I posed a question you

1771
01:46:58,530 --> 01:46:47,620
started to talk about your thoughts on

1772
01:47:04,110 --> 01:46:58,540
time travel so let's let's hit that as

1773
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:04,120
well time travel the area that applies

1774
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:07,210
to UFOs there are visitors from our

1775
01:47:14,580 --> 01:47:11,920
future and some UFO researchers believe

1776
01:47:19,170 --> 01:47:14,590
that that they're coming back into our

1777
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:19,180
time for needed DNA which may be

1778
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:20,890
consistent with the alien abduction

1779
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:27,010
phenomenon since they do allegedly take

1780
01:47:33,180 --> 01:47:30,910
sperm and eggs and people on who are

1781
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:33,190
abducted claim that they come in contact

1782
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:44,320
with hybrid babies incorporates the

1783
01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:49,330
theory of general relativity which if

1784
01:47:53,310 --> 01:47:51,580
you move fast enough to space the

1785
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:53,320
observations you're going to make about

1786
01:47:58,740 --> 01:47:56,100
space and time differ from the

1787
01:48:01,229 --> 01:47:58,750
observations of others moving at

1788
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:01,239
different speeds but many in the

1789
01:48:05,550 --> 01:48:03,250
scientific community believe that

1790
01:48:10,860 --> 01:48:05,560
traveling back in time is highly

1791
01:48:13,500 --> 01:48:10,870
unlikely to the related to the problem I

1792
01:48:15,410 --> 01:48:13,510
think it's called causality and a

1793
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:15,420
classic example is the grandfather

1794
01:48:21,390 --> 01:48:18,610
paradox which yes if you went back in

1795
01:48:24,180 --> 01:48:21,400
time and killed your grandfather before

1796
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:24,190
your father is born you know what is

1797
01:48:27,810 --> 01:48:24,489
that

1798
01:48:31,470 --> 01:48:27,820
means the incidence obviously was upset

1799
01:48:33,509 --> 01:48:31,480
the balance of current day affairs but

1800
01:48:36,620 --> 01:48:33,519
some scientists believe that such a

1801
01:48:39,689 --> 01:48:36,630
paradox could be potentially avoided by

1802
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:39,699
branching parallel universes now again

1803
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:41,650
we're getting very theoretical here but

1804
01:48:45,589 --> 01:48:43,449
when you talk about time travel

1805
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:45,599
obviously it is highly theoretical

1806
01:48:51,989 --> 01:48:48,489
although Einstein did proposed a theory

1807
01:49:01,500 --> 01:48:51,999
of general relativity that permits time

1808
01:49:03,959 --> 01:49:01,510
travel what Stephen Hawking said that he

1809
01:49:07,529 --> 01:49:03,969
has experimental evidence that time

1810
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:07,539
travel is not possible I'm not gonna

1811
01:49:15,390 --> 01:49:12,249
argue with Stephen Hawking and so if

1812
01:49:18,270 --> 01:49:15,400
talking is correct UFOs are not from our

1813
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:18,280
future you know called France Italy if

1814
01:49:27,899 --> 01:49:21,130
he's wrong you know maybe they are but

1815
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:27,909
this is what Hawking's position is yet

1816
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:30,489
many people do believe that that the

1817
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:33,130
greys represents what humans are going

1818
01:49:42,540 --> 01:49:39,760
to be like or even let's say the Earth's

1819
01:49:45,299 --> 01:49:42,550
gonna last another four billion years or

1820
01:49:47,759 --> 01:49:45,309
another two billion years before it

1821
01:49:52,350 --> 01:49:47,769
becomes uninhabitable let's just say a

1822
01:49:54,899 --> 01:49:52,360
billion years from now something could

1823
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,909
look like that I mean if you go back a

1824
01:50:00,600 --> 01:49:57,280
billion years in time now we certainly

1825
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:00,610
wasn't you know beings like us here so

1826
01:50:22,279 --> 01:50:17,440
it could change it's possible again it's

1827
01:50:33,569 --> 01:50:26,939
speculation not supported by again

1828
01:50:36,660 --> 01:50:33,579
strict scientific research and the lack

1829
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:36,670
of tangible evidence all highly highly

1830
01:50:40,740 --> 01:50:38,290
theoretical

1831
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:40,750
and that's why I don't like it when many

1832
01:50:47,970 --> 01:50:44,080
ufologists again make those kinds of

1833
01:50:51,380 --> 01:50:47,980
conclusions unless unless they know

1834
01:50:54,690 --> 01:50:51,390
people in high authority who contend

1835
01:50:59,480 --> 01:50:54,700
unequivocally that yes we had dead alien

1836
01:51:03,710 --> 01:50:59,490
bodies here you know anger whatever and

1837
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:03,720
you know I forget where in Ojai or

1838
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:07,450
underground bases maybe we do maybe we

1839
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,070
do but in order to keep such a thing a

1840
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:15,360
secret for so long

1841
01:51:20,940 --> 01:51:18,190
implies that it's unlikely although you

1842
01:51:23,730 --> 01:51:20,950
can't dismiss it entirely and maybe

1843
01:51:27,690 --> 01:51:23,740
that's why some of you fathers believe

1844
01:51:31,230 --> 01:51:27,700
in ET because they've had direct you

1845
01:51:34,500 --> 01:51:31,240
know communication with individuals who

1846
01:51:39,900 --> 01:51:34,510
are in the know and many contend that

1847
01:51:42,060 --> 01:51:39,910
they have and I can't argue with them

1848
01:51:47,610 --> 01:51:42,070
you know I don't know what to believe

1849
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:47,620
but as a scientist so to speak

1850
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:51,370
maybe I'm approaching it wrong but I've

1851
01:51:56,610 --> 01:51:53,530
always utilized the scientific method in

1852
01:52:00,080 --> 01:51:56,620
my own particular field of study and I'd

1853
01:52:03,390 --> 01:52:00,090
like to do that in terms of uncovering

1854
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:03,400
the answers to this phenomenon which may

1855
01:52:10,980 --> 01:52:06,880
be inappropriate again we may may not be

1856
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:10,990
able to study this phenomenon like we do

1857
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:14,170
with so many other questions to answer

1858
01:52:21,260 --> 01:52:18,130
within various fields because our

1859
01:52:25,650 --> 01:52:21,270
understanding of the principles that

1860
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:25,660
govern and regulate some UFOs there that

1861
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:28,210
are unexplainable or the paranormal high

1862
01:52:34,460 --> 01:52:32,080
strangeness events that abound are not

1863
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:34,470
consistent that it can't be applied

1864
01:52:41,850 --> 01:52:38,290
which makes it frustrating to try to

1865
01:52:43,860 --> 01:52:41,860
figure out what is going on when one

1866
01:52:48,150 --> 01:52:43,870
other one last question that was up on

1867
01:52:52,050 --> 01:52:48,160
the chatroom and that is what is your

1868
01:53:00,729 --> 01:52:56,350
well here again we're talking about the

1869
01:53:02,380 --> 01:53:00,739
alien abduction phenomenon I can go on

1870
01:53:05,590 --> 01:53:02,390
and on about that but we apparently

1871
01:53:06,450 --> 01:53:05,600
don't have enough time how much time do

1872
01:53:11,649 --> 01:53:06,460
we have left

1873
01:53:13,570 --> 01:53:11,659
yeah about about five minutes well you

1874
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:13,580
know much can be said about the alien

1875
01:53:19,380 --> 01:53:16,250
abduction phenomenon not just you need

1876
01:53:24,970 --> 01:53:19,390
to Travis Walton who claims that he was

1877
01:53:27,700 --> 01:53:24,980
abducted the case in general I'm talking

1878
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:27,710
about is you know one of the most valid

1879
01:53:42,130 --> 01:53:31,550
or documented cases as far as some you

1880
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:42,140
know witnesses and many abduction

1881
01:53:51,700 --> 01:53:48,320
experiences but again we don't have

1882
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:51,710
pictures of it happening there's no you

1883
01:54:01,060 --> 01:53:54,730
know no video or photographic evidence

1884
01:54:04,330 --> 01:54:01,070
of that event question is why doesn't

1885
01:54:07,870 --> 01:54:04,340
mean it's not happening maybe whoever's

1886
01:54:10,300 --> 01:54:07,880
doing the abduction is making sure it's

1887
01:54:12,910 --> 01:54:10,310
not recorded for therefore reason

1888
01:54:15,310 --> 01:54:12,920
so not only Travis Walton I appreciate

1889
01:54:19,570 --> 01:54:15,320
you bringing that up it's many other

1890
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:19,580
people who have had Close Encounters of

1891
01:54:24,669 --> 01:54:21,890
various types of non-human intelligence

1892
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including Travis Walton he did

1893
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experience something quite remarkable

1894
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and and here Yin people are taken

1895
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against their will

1896
01:54:38,890 --> 01:54:35,719
they're you know Travis Walton among

1897
01:54:44,740 --> 01:54:38,900
others say there is subjected to medical

1898
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:44,750
procedures he again he included they

1899
01:54:49,149 --> 01:54:46,850
forget the majority of their experience

1900
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although he recalls they decide I'm not

1901
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:53,960
mistaken through regresses we need

1902
01:55:01,810 --> 01:54:56,810
aggression hypnosis which is very

1903
01:55:02,930 --> 01:55:01,820
controversial the many psychologists do

1904
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:02,940
not feel

1905
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:05,520
that it that the recall of experiences

1906
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are valid so they dismiss what they say

1907
01:55:18,860 --> 01:55:15,449
and and if I'm not mistaken he recalled

1908
01:55:21,050 --> 01:55:18,870
that under hypnosis and about 70 percent

1909
01:55:25,729 --> 01:55:21,060
of individuals who have had an abduction

1910
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:25,739
experience like Travis Walton don't

1911
01:55:32,570 --> 01:55:28,530
recall it although approximately 30

1912
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:32,580
percent are consciously aware of that

1913
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:37,380
strange event or some type of contact

1914
01:55:43,220 --> 01:55:41,520
with extraterrestrial intelligence of

1915
01:55:46,670 --> 01:55:43,230
the night Exeter essence of some

1916
01:55:49,450 --> 01:55:46,680
non-human intelligences of some type but

1917
01:55:53,180 --> 01:55:49,460
he has had prolonged psychological

1918
01:55:59,570 --> 01:55:53,190
effects from it as many people do who

1919
01:56:03,290 --> 01:55:59,580
are contactees or experiences and you

1920
01:56:04,970 --> 01:56:03,300
know David Jacobs John Mack but Hopkins

1921
01:56:10,580 --> 01:56:04,980
they've written many articles and books

1922
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:10,590
on the matter John Mack for instance as

1923
01:56:16,220 --> 01:56:13,280
you probably know had a fight to retain

1924
01:56:18,050 --> 01:56:16,230
tenure at Harvard University because he

1925
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:18,060
believed in the alien abduction

1926
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:21,690
phenomenon he was convinced that

1927
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:24,560
something unique was going on

1928
01:56:30,410 --> 01:56:28,800
so there's many psychologists who who

1929
01:56:37,250 --> 01:56:30,420
claim that the alien abduction

1930
01:56:40,250 --> 01:56:37,260
phenomenon is is just a fabrication of

1931
01:56:42,620 --> 01:56:40,260
of one's mind for whatever reason and

1932
01:56:45,229 --> 01:56:42,630
it's not a real event while there are

1933
01:56:47,780 --> 01:56:45,239
arguments that certainly support the

1934
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:47,790
alien abduction phenomenon and there are

1935
01:56:55,939 --> 01:56:52,850
many scientists and psychologists who

1936
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:55,949
contend that something like that is

1937
01:57:00,680 --> 01:56:58,530
happening okay

1938
01:57:04,729 --> 01:57:00,690
I'm sorry to say but we're at the end of

1939
01:57:08,780 --> 01:57:04,739
the show and do you have a website the

1940
01:57:12,610 --> 01:57:08,790
UFO phenomenon wow that must have been a

1941
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hard URL URL to get into thousands what

1942
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,790
you had to pay someone for that one a

1943
01:57:18,500 --> 01:57:15,840
bit well

1944
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hey thank you very much it was a lot of

1945
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,429
fun he's very welcome

1946
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I appreciate the the interviewing your

1947
01:57:29,959 --> 01:57:26,969
willingness to have me on your show

1948
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:29,969
well that's it for the show tonight hey

1949
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:32,250
by the way we have a great new blog on

1950
01:57:38,990 --> 01:57:36,090
our website podcast UFO calm written by

1951
01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:39,000
a Belgian about the Belgian way back in

1952
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1989 to 1993 and still ongoing as some

1953
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say I want to thank everyone for helping

1954
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:47,520
out with the show today Alejandro Rojas

1955
01:57:55,879 --> 01:57:51,530
for the news and our guest of course

1956
01:57:59,180 --> 01:57:55,889
Robert Davis PhD Kerry Lloyd Whitehouse

1957
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:59,190
for the music and I want to thank Peggy

1958
01:58:04,010 --> 01:58:01,440
shunning for managing our Facebook page

1959
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:04,020
remember to like us on Facebook for all

1960
01:58:09,859 --> 01:58:07,440
the latest UFO news don't forget I'll be

1961
01:58:13,609 --> 01:58:09,869
in Arizona next week coming at you live

1962
01:58:16,939 --> 01:58:13,619
at the International UFO Congress and if

1963
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:16,949
you're listening live also sky watchers

1964
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is on next on the dark matter radio